Gail Herder
Sex: F
Individual Information
Birth Date: Christening: Death: Bef 3 May 2015 5093 Burial: Cause of Death:
Parents
Father: Flight Lieut. Hubert Howard Herder 10,806 Mother: Joan Allison Hickman 10,11
Spouses and Children
1. Living Children: 1. LivingLiving
Sex: F
Parents
Father: Flight Lieut. Hubert Howard Herder 10,806 Mother: Joan Allison Hickman 10,11
Spouses and Children
1. Living Children: 1. LivingLiving
Sex: F
Parents
Father: Flight Lieut. Hubert Howard Herder 10,806 Mother: Joan Allison Hickman 10,11
Spouses and Children
1. Living Children: 1. LivingHerbert Augustus Herder
Sex: M
Individual Information
Birth Date: May 1887 - St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada 3125 Christening: Death: Cir 1932-1933 - St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada ( about age 45) 806 Burial: Cause of Death:Events
Alt. Birth: Cir 1888, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Membership: Inducted as a member of the Whiteway Lodge, Freemasons, 23 May 1913, Mount Pearl, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada. Herbert Augustus Herder
in the England, United Grand Lodge of England Freemason Membership Registers, 1751-1921
England, United Grand Lodge of England Freemason Membership Registers, 1751-1921
Name:Herbert Augustus Herder
Gender:Male
Initiation Age:26
Birth Year:abt 1887
Initiation Date:23 May 1913
First Payment Year on Register:1913
Year Range:1910-1921
Profession:Clerk
Lodge:Whiteway Lodge
Lodge Location:St Johns, Newfoundland
Lodge Number:3541
Folio Number:65. Occupation: Clerk, 23 May 1913, Mount Pearl, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Occupation: Journalist, 11 Jan 1917, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Residence: At time of marriage, bachelor, Rennie's Mill Rd., 11 Jan 1917, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Census: Household of Herbert A, Herder, Forest Rd., 1921, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Occupation: Accountant, Printing Office, 1921, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Religion: Methodist, 1921, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Residence: Forest Rd., 1921, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Parents
Father: William James Herder 292,806,1153,1154 Mother: Elizabeth Barnes 292,806
Spouses and Children
1. *Marion Rendell Carter 10,142,1051,3105,3106 Marriage: 11 Jan 1917 - St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada 51Lieut. Hubert Clinton Herder RNRMarriage Events
Alt. Marriage: 11 Jan 1916, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Minister/Priest: Clarence A. Moulton, 11 Jan 1917, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Witnesses: Jeanie Carter, Will H. Herder, J.B. Carter, Helen Carter, Beatrice Herder, 11 Jan 1917, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada. Children: 1. Flight Lieut. Hubert Howard Herder 2. Robert C. Herder
Sex: M
Individual Information
Birth Date: 28 Jul 1891 - St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada 1729 Christening: Death: 1 Jul 1916 - Beaumont-Hamel, Picardie, France ( at age 24) 1729,5375 Burial: After 1 Jul 1916 - Beaumont-Hamel, Picardie, France 1727 Cause of Death: Died in the Battle of Beaumont-Hamel 1729Events
Education: Methodist College, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Graduation: Guelph Agricultural College, Guelph, Ontario, Canada.
Religion: Attended Cochrane St. United Church, Bef 1914, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Military: Regt. # 3 in the RNR, 2 Sep 1914, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Military: Promoted to Lance Corporal, 21 Sep 1914, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Occupation: Agriculturist, 1 Oct 1914, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Physical Description: 5'10 1/4", 152 lbs, black hair, brown eyes, 1 Oct 1914, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Residence: 40 Rennies Mill Rd., 1 Oct 1914, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Military: Promoted to 2nd Lieutenant, 6 Apr 1915, Wallasey, Metropolitan Borough of Wirral, Merseyside, England.
Military: Promoted to Lieutenant, 15 Oct 1915, Egypt.
Parents
Father: William James Herder 292,806,1153,1154 Mother: Elizabeth Barnes 292,806
Notes
General:
050115:
From an article entitled "A Regimental Quartet" by Bert Riggs, Archivist at the Centre for Newfoundland Studies, transcribed for NGB website by Barbara McGrath:
"Regimental no. 3 went to Hubert Clinton Herder, the son of William J. Herder and Elizabeth Barnes. He was born in St. John's on July 28, 1891. The elder Herder was founder and publisher of The Evening Telegram.
Hubert was educated at the Methodist College, St. John's and at the Agricultural College in Guelph, Ont. Enlistment prevented completion of his studies, but like so many of his comrades, he felt it his duty to answer the call to arms.
Shortly after enlistment he was made a lance corporal. On April 6, 1915, he was one of 12 members of the ordinary ranks promoted to the officer corps as 2nd lieutenant. He shipped out with the regiment for the eastern Mediterranean in August 1915, but upon arrival was assigned to the transport division and spent the following months in Cairo and western Egypt.
In March 1916, he accompanied the regiment to France, where he took part in the July 1 assault at Beaumont Hamel. A member of B company, when his commanding officer, Captain Joe Nunns, was wounded, Herder took command and led his men forward. Within minutes he was hit by enemy fire and died from his wounds, one of 14 officers and 219 soldiers of the Newfoundland Regiment killed that day."
His name is mentioned in the memorial in The Kirk as being one of the Newfoundland Highlanders who gave his life in the Great War
140615:
Interestingly, Bert Riggs says that Hubert Herder's name appears on the memorial at the Kirk to the Newfoundland Highlanders but he was not a member of the congregation of the Kirk. I found the following information online:
Arthur John and Hubert Herder are memorialised on a plaque on the right front pillar at the Cochrane Street United Church. The memorial reads:
RIGHT FRONT PILLAR (facing the pulpit): World War I Memorial Tablet
The service bulletin for the unveiling gives the following description: "The Memorial Tablet is of alabaster decorated in Gold, with various devices, and in the centre, a representation in Mosaic of Sir Galahad in his search for the Holy Grail, after the picture by Watts.
The inscription reads:
"To the Glory of God and in Grateful memory of the Men of This Church Who Fell in the Great War, 1914-1918."
The tablet was unveiled by His Excellency Sir C. Alexander Harris, K.C.M.G., C.B., C.V.O., Governor and Commander-in-Chief, on Sunday, December 4, 1921 at 11 AM. He also read the names of those inscribed:
George Abbott
Stanley Abbott
Frank H. Chown
James L. Day
Arthur Driscoll
Ronald Grimes
2nd Lt. Arthur J. Herder
Lt. Hubert C. Herder
L. Cpl. Robert P. King
George S. Knight
Walter LeGrow
Cpl. Herbert G. Luscombe
Alexander Martin
Simeon Morris
Walter Morris
Wilfred Raynes
Carl Reid
L. Cpl. E. Clayton Rowsell
John C. Snelgrove
Douglas K. Snow
L. Cpl. E. Frederick Taylor
2nd Lt. George H. Taylor
Richard H. Taylor
Donald Templeman
Gordon Tizzard
Frank P. Tuff
Cpl. James R. Tuff
Wreaths were placed at the base of the tablet by the Hon. Sir. R. A. Squires of behalf of the Government, by Mr. J. G. Higgins, B.A., President, on behalf of the Great War Veterans' Association and by Mr. A. C. Peters on behalf of Cochrane Street Centennial Church.
The minister of the church was Rev. C. H. Johnson, M.A., B.D., with the Preacher being Rev. Dr. George J. Bond, B.A., LL.D. The Chaplain to the Forces and senior curate at St. Thomas Anglican Church was Capt. the Rev. A. Clayton, C.F. The organist and choirmaster for the service was the church's organist, Arthur Mews, C.M.G.
The Memorial Committee was comprised of the following:
Rev. C. H. Johnson, chairman, Major J. W. March, M.C., C. de G., Major B. Butler, D.S.O., M.C. & Bar, Major J. St. P. Knight, O.B.E., Lieut. A. Noseworthy, Lieut. H. C. Janes, M.S.M., Sgt. A. M. Wilson, Rev. L. Curtis, B.A., D.D., M.B.E., Mr. Arthur Mews, Mr. John Maunder, Mr. Edwin Parsons, Mr. Wilson Clark, Mr. H. N. Burt, Secretary. On Dec 2, 1919, the Board of Trustees reported that the cost of tablet was £72.
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Stanley Frost's memoirs make only one brief mention of Hubert Herder even though he was one of the first Blue Puttees to sign up (Regt. # 3) and Frost's memoirs focussed almost exclusively on the roll played by members of the Blue Puttees in WWI:
It was a surprise to many of us that Edinburgh possessed an artificial ice rink, patronized every evening in winter by society folk '96 the men in white tie and tails and the women in long dresses '96 gracefully waltzing and "fancy" skating. Our officers were invited to participate whenever they so desired. While the rink was not suitable for hockey, having no sideboards or screens to protect the tea garden which surrounded the skating surface, a group of hockey enthusiasts from our Regiment prevailed upon the management of the arena to permit just one game of hockey. A team of Canadians attending Edinburgh University was organized and one evening played a team from our Battalion composed of Bob Stick, Len Stick, Ralph Herder, Hubert Herder, Bert Tait, Jack Fox, Charlie Strong, Errol Munn, and Ern Churchill. The Canadians lost fourteen to nothing. Colonel Nicholson tells the story: A stiff body check into what would have been the boards in a modern arena meant that the recipient usually landed up among the potted palms or sprawled at the foot of a statue of Venus de Milo. (For some time afterwards a rumour was to persist among the less classically-minded troops that the armless state of the goddess was the result of her having been hit by a flying Newfoundland puck!) . . . The real loser, however, appears to have been the tea garden, which by the end of the game had been pretty well reduced to a shambles. (141)
Frost, Sydney (2014-11-10). A Blue Puttee at War: The Memoir of Captain Sydney Frost, MC (Kindle Locations 1728-1739). Flanker Press. Kindle Edition.
140615:
This is what is said about him in "The First Five Hundred":
HUBERT CLINTON HERDER Reg. No. 3
Enlisted, Sept. 2, 1914; Lance Corporal, Sept. 21, 1914; Corporal, Nov. l5, 1914; 2nd Lieutenant, April 6, 1915; British Mediterranean Expeditionary Force, Aug. 20, 1915; Lieutenant, Oct. 15, 1915; Served with 1st Composite Battalion on Western Egyptian Frontier, Nov. 1915, to Feb. 1916: British Expeditionary Force, March 10, 1916; Killed in action, Beaumont Hamel, July 1, 1916.
250615:
Joy Cave makes a number of comments on him in her book "What Became of Corporal Pittman":
"..."B" Company had not got far when its Commander, Captain Nunns, fell shot in the leg. He called on one of his subalterns, Lieutenant Hubert Herder, to take charge of the Company, and to carry on. Snatching up rifle and bayonet from his Platton Sergeant, who had just been hit, Herder shouted to his men, "Come on boys!" and led them forward, only to fall mortally wounded shortly afterwards."
and as she and her daughter exlored the cemeteries where the Newfoundlanders were commemorated, if not physically buried:
"We went down from the Memorial to the south-east corner of the Park where the Y Ravine cemetery is located...It [the Danger Tree] is half way down the slope,and it is very probable that Lietenant Hubert Herder met his end near that spot. When the Commander of "B" Company, Captain Nunns, was wounded in the leg he ordered Lieutenant Herder to take charge: this he did, with considerable dash, but his span of command lasted only a few yards. His grave is in Y Ravine cemetery; he was 25 and, judging by his regimental number -- 3, was one of the very earliest volunteers."
111015:
In his book "The Royal Newfoundland Regiment in the Great War, Frank Gogos also briefly mentions the action at Beaumont Hamel in which Hubert Herder was killed:
"The first struck were those of "B" Company as the machine gun on their right flank opened up, inflicting heavy casualties. Within minutes of the attack, "B" Company, moving toward Point 60 on the right, was hit hard. Captain Joe Nunns was shot in the leg and command of his Company was passed to Lt. Hubert Herder, who grabbed a rifle and bayonet from his fallen platoon sergeant. Not long after, Herder would fall, mortally wounded."
130717:
The Newfoundland and Labrador Command of the Royal Canadian Legion's book, "Lest We Forget, Vol. 15" has this brief reference to him: "HERDER, Hubert Lt. 3 Served with the Royal Newfoundland Regiment. Hometown was St. John's, Newfoundland. DECEASED: JULY 1, 1916"
564,1529,1729,2696
Flight Lieut. Hubert Howard Herder
Sex: MAKA: Hubert C. Herder 10,5376, Hubert Clinton Herder 11
Individual Information
Birth Date: 27 Nov 1917 - St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada 11 Christening: Death: Bef 10 Feb 1980 - St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada 806 Burial: 10 Feb 1980 - Topsail, Conception Bay South, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada 5377 Cause of Death:Events
Alt. Birth: Cir 1918, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Alt. Birth: 30 Nov 1918, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Departure: On board SILVIA destined for Montreal, 29 Aug 1931, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada. He was on his way to private school - Lakefield Preparatory School in Lakefield, Ontario, He was unaccompanied at the age of 13 and was to be met upon arrival by Rev. . MacKenzie.
Arrival: On board SILVIA out of St. John's, 3 Sep 1931, Montreal, Quιbec, Canada. He was on his way to private school - Lakefield Preparatory School in Lakefield, Ontario, He was unaccompanied at the age of 13 and was to be met upon arrival by Rev. . MacKenzie.
Military: Flight Lieut. in RCAF in WWII, Cir 1939-1945.
Residence: Kingsbridge Rd. Tel No, 3802, 1946, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Parents
Father: Herbert Augustus Herder 10,51 Mother: Marion Rendell Carter 10,142,1051,3105,3106
Spouses and Children
1. *Joan Allison Hickman 10,11 Marriage: 30 Nov 1940 - London, Middlesex, Ontario, Canada 11 Children: 1. Gail Herder 2. Living 3. Living 4. Living 5. Living 6. Living
Notes
General:
020714:
Jean Carter Stirling records these notes pertaining to a "Robert H. Carter". None of the Roberts was known to have H as a second initial but of any of them this one is the most likely since his sister, Eliza, took her mother's name, Howe, as a middle name and he may have done so as well. His father and grandfather do not seem good matches because they were both dead long since at the time of this dedicatgion. That said, there is no apparent connection between him and the donor, Nicholas Brand, which is odd. Perhaps he was his godfather.
1865
Beer Tankard, embossed and inscribed:
"Presented as a token of Respect to
the memory of
Mr. R.H. Carter
being the request of the late
NICHOLAS BRAND
by his daughter, A. M. ROSS
April 11,1865"
[Ed.Note: TO MY PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE:]
The care of this tankard has progressed through the Carter
family. In my time,(1930's) it belonged to:
1 James Charles Carter, my grandfather
2 to his daughter my Mother, Helen Morison
Fox.
In 1951 at her death to her son my
3 brother, Ernest Arthur Fox.
Ernest, upon request, passed it to
Bertram Ellis, adopted son of his childless aunt Alice Pitman, and her
husband, my grandfather's brother, Frederick Carter.
While in the care of Bertram Ellis, it was evaluated by Birks, Oct. 7,1963 as follows:
"One only sterling silver tankard Hallmarked London, 1748 by Humphrey
Payne: handle, spout and chasing supplied at a later date. $385.00"
[Ed: As of Oct.'92,1 know this tankard to be in the care of Mrs. Joan (nee
Hickman) Herder, widow of my first cousin, Hubert Herder, who was the
same relation to R. H. CARTER on the tankard as are my brother Ernest, and
I, great-great grandchildren. It is in her keeping for her grandson Jonathan
Gushue.]
050115:
On the NGB website there is a copy of the Newfoundland Government Bulletin of November 1944 which tells us that:
"Flight Lieutenant Gerald WINTER and Flight Lieutenant Hubert HERDER are Instructors in Flying with the R.C.A.F. in Canada. Both have about 2,000 hours flying experience"
Jean Carter relayed this information in an email today pertaining to the gravestone of Sarah Carter, the child of the original Robert Carter and his wife Ann Wyyley:
"The story there is that my first cousin Hubert Herder (his mother and mine were Carter sisters) at some point went to Ferryland and "stole" that gravestone - put it in his car and brought it to his summer home in Topsail known as Popinn (still there and still owned by his widow Joan Hickman Herder). There it resided behind his bar in the recreation room. He died somewhat young - 60-ish. When I returned to St. John's in 1990, and talked to Joan she suggested I take it back to Ferryland. Which I arranged; before doing so I took those pictures. Where was I going to take it? I didn't have a clue, I had been away from Nfld for almost 40 years! I agree, the Museum turned out to be a bad choice. Sorry. There was no way to return it to the cemetery, no one knew what place it occupied there when he removed it."
140815:
Jean Carter Stirling's family tree contains more information on him and his family but I am not copying it over as this line is not relevant to my research.
171017:
There is some sort of anomaly that needs sorting out here. There are two sons who were both shown as born in Nov. 1918 (I've changed one to Nov. 1917 because I also had that date for him). But only Robert shows up on the 1921 Census. I have no idea what this means at this time.
140718:
Information from Jean Carter Stirling:
"The tombstone of Sarah Carter, daughter of the old Surrogate Robert Carter and Anne Wylley, was donated to the museum by me. My cousin Hubert Herder (son of my mother's sister Marion called Moll) had found the stone in that graveyard in Ferryland and taken (stolen) it. For years it was in his summer place in Topsail. As you know I wasn't living here, and on a visit, years later, after he had died, I was visiting his widow Joan and saw it in the recreation part of the house. I took many photos of it, and then one day Joan said that I could have it if I wanted it so badly! So I brought it back to Ferryland and presented it to the Museum. Unfortunately we never found out where the actual grave was."
Involved with the family business, The Evening Telegram, St.John's al l of his
working life, following his RCAF duty during WWII.
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James Milley Herder
Sex: M
Individual Information
Birth Date: 22 Jul 1904 - St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada 1154 Christening: Death: 25 Aug 1970 - St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada ( at age 66) 1154 Burial: Cause of Death:Events
Occupation: Worked on the Evening Telegram, 1924, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Occupation: Newspaper employee, Between 1928 and 1931, Trois-Rivieres, Les Chenaux, Quιbec, Canada.
Occupation: Director of the Evening Telegram, Between 1935 and 1954, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Occupation: President of Western Publishing, the Western Star, Between 1954 and 1955, Corner Brook, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Occupation: President of the Evening Telegram, Between 1955 and 1968, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Parents
Father: William James Herder 292,806,1153,1154 Mother: Elizabeth Barnes 292,806
Notes
General:
300513 from Dictionary of Newfoundland and Labrador Biography:
HERDER, JAMES MILLEY (1904-1970). b St. John's 22 July; son of William S. Herder, brother of Ralph B. Herder; president The Evening Telegram Ltd 1955-68; d St. John's 25 Oct. Herder joined the staff of the Evening Telegram m 1924. He worked with a paper in Trois-Rivieres, Que. 1928-31, then returned to St. John's, becoming a director of the Telegram in 1935. When the Herders purchased the Western Star in 1954 James Herder became president of Western Publishing, then publisher of the Telegram following his brother's death early in 1955. RHC
John Herder
Sex: M
Individual Information
Birth Date: Christening: Death: 1852 - Old Perlican, Trinity Bay, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada 1152 Burial: Cause of Death: Hunting Accident 1152Events
Residence: Old Perlican, Trinity Bay, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Spouses and Children
1. Living Children: 1. William James HerderLieut. Ralph Barnes Herder RNR
Sex: M
Individual Information
Birth Date: Cir 1894 - St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada 1154 Christening: Death: 8 Jan 1955 - St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada ( about age 61) 1154 Burial: Cause of Death:Events
Military: RNR, Regt. # 34, Between 2 Sep 1914 and 30 Jun 1918. RALPH BARNES HERDER Reg. No. 34
Enlisted, Sept. 2, 1914; Lance Corporal, July 26, 1915; British Mediterranean Expeditionary Force, Aug. 20, 1915; Corporal, Dec. 11, 1915; British Expeditionary Force, March 14, 1916; 2nd Lieutenant, July 1, 1916; Wounded, Beaumont Hamel, July 1, 1916; Invalided to England; Returned to B. E. F., Oct. 27, 1916; Wounded, Monchy, April 14, 1917; Repatriated to Newfoundland; Lieutenant, Jan. 1, 1918; Retired, June 30, 1918.
. Physical Description: 5'5 1/2", 131 lbs., Light Brown Hair and Brown Eyes, 1 Oct 1914, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Religion: Methodist, 1 Oct 1914, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Residence: 40 Rennies Mill Rd., 1 Oct 1914, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Military: Promoted to L/Cpl, 26 Jul 1915, Wallasey, Metropolitan Borough of Wirral, Merseyside, England.
Military: Promoted to Corporal, 11 Dec 1915, Suvla Bay, Gallipoli, Ηanakkale, Turkey.
Illness: Wounded - Gunshot wound to nose, 1 Jul 1916, Beaumont-Hamel, Picardie, France.
Military: Promoted to 2nd Lieut., 1 Jul 1916, Beaumont-Hamel, Picardie, France.
Illness: Gunshot wound to ankle, 14 Apr 1917, Monchy-Le-Preux, Nord-Pas-De-Calais, France.
Military: Promoted to Lieutenant, 1 Jan 1918, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Membership: Inducted as a member of the Whiteway Lodge, Freemasons, 25 Jul 1919, Mount Pearl, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada. Ralph Barnes Herder
in the England, United Grand Lodge of England Freemason Membership Registers, 1751-1921
England, United Grand Lodge of England Freemason Membership Registers, 1751-1921
Name:Ralph Barnes Herder
Gender:Male
Initiation Age:24
Birth Year:abt 1895
Initiation Date:25 Jul 1919
First Payment Year on Register:1919
Year Range:1910-1921
Profession:Accountant
Lodge:Whiteway Lodge
Lodge Location:Newfoundland
Lodge Number:3541
Folio Number:66. Occupation: Accountant, 25 Jul 1919, Mount Pearl, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Occupation: President of the Evening Telegram, Between 1936 and 1955, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
Parents
Father: William James Herder 292,806,1153,1154 Mother: Elizabeth Barnes 292,806
Spouses and Children
Children: 1. Living
Notes
General:
300513 from the Dictionary of Newfoundland and Labrador Biography:
HERDER, RALPH BARNES (1894.1955). b St. John's; son of William J., brother of James M. and father of Stephen R. Herder; president The Evening Telegram Ltd 1936-55; d St. John's 8 Jan. Herder saw active service during WWI, then lived in England for a time before returning to St John's in 1922, upon his father's death, to become secretary-treasurer of The Evening Telegram Ltd. He was president of the firm and publisher of the Telegram from 1936 until his death. RHC
140615:
This is what is said about him in the Annex to The First Five Hundred that gives brief bios and photos of as many of this group as was feasible at the time:
RALPH BARNES HERDER Reg. No. 34
Enlisted, Sept. 2, 1914; Lance Corporal, July 26, 1915; British Mediterranean Expeditionary Force, Aug. 20, 1915; Corporal, Dec. 11, 1915; British Expeditionary Force, March 14, 1916; 2nd Lieutenant, July 1, 1916; Wounded, Beaumont Hamel, July 1, 1916; Invalided to England; Returned to B. E. F., Oct. 27, 1916; Wounded, Monchy, April 14, 1917; Repatriated to Newfoundland; Lieutenant, Jan. 1, 1918; Retired, June 30, 1918.
Stanley Frost's memoirs record very little about Ralph Herder. Here are the two references:
It was a surprise to many of us that Edinburgh possessed an artificial ice rink, patronized every evening in winter by society folk the men in white tie and tails and the women in long dresses gracefully waltzing and "fancy" skating. Our officers were invited to participate whenever they so desired. While the rink was not suitable for hockey, having no sideboards or screens to protect the tea garden which surrounded the skating surface, a group of hockey enthusiasts from our Regiment prevailed upon the management of the arena to permit just one game of hockey. A team of Canadians attending Edinburgh University was organized and one evening played a team from our Battalion composed of Bob Stick, Len Stick, Ralph Herder, Hubert Herder, Bert Tait, Jack Fox, Charlie Strong, Errol Munn, and Ern Churchill. The Canadians lost fourteen to nothing. Colonel Nicholson tells the story: A stiff body check into what would have been the boards in a modern arena meant that the recipient usually landed up among the potted palms or sprawled at the foot of a statue of Venus de Milo. (For some time afterwards a rumour was to persist among the less classically-minded troops that the armless state of the goddess was the result of her having been hit by a flying Newfoundland puck!) . . . The real loser, however, appears to have been the tea garden, which by the end of the game had been pretty well reduced to a shambles. (141)
Frost, Sydney (2014-11-10). A Blue Puttee at War: The Memoir of Captain Sydney Frost, MC (Kindle Locations 1728-1739). Flanker Press. Kindle Edition.
and
I called around at the Pay and Record Office occasionally to see if they had any instructions regarding my movement orders and there saw many old friends including Robin Smith (Reg. No. 366, he transferred to the Seaforth Highlanders in October 1915) and Joe Snow (Reg. No. 74), both Blue Puttees [and] now officers, and Sam Cole (Reg. No. 465) recently commissioned. At the Third London General Hospital I met up with Ralph Herder, Leo Murphy, and Stan James, all old pals recovering from wounds. Attending the Gaiety Theatre one evening to see Theodore and Company [a popular musical show which played in London, 1916 18] produced a few hilarious moments. One
Frost, Sydney (2014-11-10). A Blue Puttee at War: The Memoir of Captain Sydney Frost, MC (Kindle Locations 4250-4254). Flanker Press. Kindle Edition.
Robert C. Herder
Sex: M
Individual Information
Birth Date: Nov 1918 - St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada 3125 Christening: Death: Burial: Cause of Death:Events
Census: Household of Herbert A, Herder, Forest Rd., 1921, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada. (Household Member)
Religion: Methodist, 1921, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada. (Member)
Residence: Forest Rd., 1921, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada. (Occupant)
Parents
Father: Herbert Augustus Herder 10,51 Mother: Marion Rendell Carter 10,142,1051,3105,3106
Notes
General:
171017:
There is some sort of anomaly that needs sorting out here. There are two sons who were both shown as born in Nov. 1918 (I've changed one to Nov. 1917 because I also had that date for him). But only Robert shows up on the 1921 Census. I have no idea what this means at this time.
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