Ancestors of Christopher John Augustine Morry




Thomas Silly 
      Sex: M
AKA: Thomas Lilley 8013, Thomas Silley 8014
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: Bef 26 Feb 1819 - Cupids, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada 7058
    Christening: 26 Feb 1819 - Dartmouth, Devon, England 6314,8014,8015
          Death: Sep 1869 - At Sea 8016
         Burial: 
 Cause of Death: Drowned at Sea 8016

Events

•  Occupation: Master Mariner. 

•  Census: Ship Owner, 1841, Dartmouth, Devon, England. 

•  Owner: The Mermaid, 1843, Dartmouth, Devon, England. 

•  Occupation: Master Mariner, 23 Apr 1844, Dartmouth, Devon, England. 

•  Occupation: Ship Owner, "Queen of Dart", Schooner, 1848, Dartmouth, Devon, England.  (Owner) 

•  Appointment: Foreign Trade Certificate, 1850, London, Greater London, England. 

•  Appointment: Masters Service Certificate, 1867, Belfast, Antrim, Ulster, Northern Ireland. Master's Certificate of Service.
Parents 
         Father: William Maddick Silly 6313
         Mother: Living
Spouses and Children 
1. *Priscilla Sweetland 1202 
       Marriage: 23 Apr 1844 - St. Clement Townstal, Dartmouth, Devon, England 107,8017

Marriage Events

•  Alt. Marriage: Between Apr and Jun 1844, St. Saviour's, Dartmouth, Devon, England. 040317:

Absence of evidence is generally not recommended to be taken as proof of a hypothesis, but UK church records are so reliable I think we can safely say that the lack of any christening/birth records for children of this couple means that they never had any.

260417:

The marriage was registered at Totnes, where I found it, but Jennie Crisp indicates the actual location of the event was St. Saviour's.

200818:

Actually both of the above are wrong. They did have children and they were married at St. Clement's, not at St. Saviour's
. 

•  Witnesses: Noah Clift, Anne Sweetland, Mary Morey Sweetland, 23 Apr 1844, St. Clement Townstal, Dartmouth, Devon, England. 
Marriage Notes 




291119 from FindMyPast:

Devon Marriages Transcription

First name(s)Priscilla
Last nameSweetland
AgeFull Age
Birth year-
Marriage year1844
Marriage date23 Apr 1844
PlaceDartmouth, St Clement Townstall
ResidenceTownstal
Father's first nameWilliam
Father's last nameSweetland
Spouse's first name(s)Thomas
Spouse's last nameSilly
Spouse ageFull Age
Spouse's residenceTownstal
Spouse's father's first name(s)William Maddick
Spouse's father's last nameSilly
CountyDevon
DenominationAnglican
CountryEngland
ArchiveSouth West Heritage Trust
Archive reference2993A/PR/1/12
Record setDevon Marriages And Banns
CategoryBirth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
SubcategoryParish Marriages
Collections fromEngland, United Kingdom
© Findmypast


       Children:
                1. Sweetland Silly
                2. Thomas Silly
Notes
General:
210812 from Find My Past:

Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: SILLY, Thomas
Registration district: Totnes
County: Devon
Year of registration: 1844
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 9
Page no: 573
Marriage Finder: Thomas Silly married one of the following people: SWEETLAND, Priscilla WILLIAMS, Agnes ROOPE

260416:

From Ancestry.com

Name: Thomas Silly
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 26 Feb 1819
Baptism Place: Townstal OR St Clement,Dartmouth,Devon,England
Father: William Maddick Silly
Mother: Mary Ann
FHL Film Number: 917194

Although this is almost certainly the baptismal record of the man who married Priscilla Sweetland, there is a problem with all the other evidence online pertaining to these parents. Censuses for 1841, 1851, and 1861 all show a William and Mary Ann Silley (or variants of that spelling) in various parts of Devon not far from Dartmouth, their ages as given in these censuses do not add up. The father would have been around 12 or 13 when Thomas was christened as indicated above in 1819. At the moment I do not know how to reconcile these differences and therefore am not adding this information from the censuses.

220616:
In his notes on the purported family tree connecting the Kirkes to the Sweetlands (found in MG281 at The Rooms), Nimshi Crewe says this about this man:
"The name Silly in the Dartmouth epitaph should obviously be Lilly or Lilley, which is what it plainly is in Manuscript no,3"

I don't know whether this is a useful lead or not, since I cannot attach a level of confidence to the various manuscripts given to Nimshi by Mrs Heber Angel (Joyce Isobel R. Dunfield). Though Nimshi suspects the original material on which these manuscripts were based was prepared by Magistrate William Sweetland, he quickly points out that the version he saw was produced much more recently and that even then there were "corrections" or amplifications made after that author had completed his or her work by other unnamed editors. So the whole thing is rather suspect to say the least. Which makes me wonder why Nimshi was so confident that the name would have been Lilly rather than Silly and that the gravestone was wrong while the manuscript was right. There seems to be no reason for him to have come to such a conclusion.

040317:

The fact that William and Mary Ann named a second son Thomas, admittedly with a middle name Tolcher, suggests that their first son of this name died before the second son's date of birth. Like many other things about this family, I cannot reconcile these various facts. Perhaps there were two families of William and Mary Ann Silly who were approximately the same age and having children in Devon during these years.

251121:
Note that the Sweetland-Morry bible entries compiled ostensibly by his grandfather, William Sweetland, says that he was born in Cupids, Newfoundland. There is no other suggestion of this in the records.

Thomas Maddick Silly 
      Sex: M
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: 1787 - Dartmouth, Devon, England 81,82,3553
    Christening: 
          Death: Bef Aug 1863 - St. Clement Townstal, Dartmouth, Devon, England 81,3553
         Burial: 8 Aug 1863 - St. Clement Townstal, Dartmouth, Devon, England 3553,8018
 Cause of Death: 

Events

•  Occupation: Ship Owner, Ford, New Rd., 1839, Dartmouth, Devon, England. 

•  Living: 4 Mar 1840. 

•  Census: 1841, Dartmouth, Devon, England. 

•  Occupation: Merchant, Ford, 1850, Dartmouth, Devon, England. 

•  Census: Ford, New Road, Hardness, 1851, Dartmouth, Devon, England. 1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ford, New Road, Townstal, Totnes, Devon, England
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First name(s)Last nameRelationshipMarital statusSexAgeBirth yearOccupationBirth place 
ThomasSillyHeadMarriedMale641787Ship OwnerDartmouth, Devon, England Hint Transcription
MaySillyWifeMarriedFemale501801-Dartmouth, Devon, England Transcription
AnneBowNieceUnmarriedFemale151836Bonnet MakerBerry Pomeroy, Devon, England. 

•  Census: Clarence St., Townstal, 1861, St. Clement Townstal, Dartmouth, Devon, England. 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Clarence Street, Townstall, Totnes, Devon, England
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First name(s)Last nameRelationshipMarital statusSexAgeBirth yearOccupationBirth place 
ThomasSillyHeadMarriedMale741787GentlemanDartmouth, Devon, England Hint Transcription
MarySillyWifeMarriedFemale601801GentlewomanDartmouth, Devon, England.
Parents 
         Father: Capt. Thomas Silly 6354,6355
         Mother: Mary Maddick 82
Spouses and Children 
1. Ann 81 
       Marriage: Bef 1841 - Dartmouth, Devon, England 81
Marriage Notes 




200818:

She is his wife on the 1841 Census but deceased before the 1851 Census



2. *Mary Rich 82,6230 
       Marriage: 19 Oct 1846 - St. Clement Townstal, Dartmouth, Devon, England 6230

Marriage Events

•  Alt. Marriage: 1846. 260417:

Jennie's research notes indicate that this is a second marriage but even so it comes so late in the life of Thomas Silley (her spelling) that I wonder if she may not have gotten the wrong person. 

•  Witnesses: John Puddicombe and Helen White Lidstone, 19 Oct 1846, St. Clement Townstal, Dartmouth, Devon, England. 
Marriage Notes 




Event Description: He a widower, she a widow (former husband named Lidstone)

200818:

Actually the marriage record shows that he was a widower and she was a widow. Her first husband's name was Lidstone. Her maiden name was Rich actually.
Thomas Tolcher Silly 
      Sex: M
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: 11 Nov 1833 - Dittisham, Devon, England 6314
    Christening: 12 Jan 1834 - Dittisham, Devon, England 6314
          Death: 25 Mar 1835 - Dittisham, Devon, England ( at age 1) 6314
         Burial: 
 Cause of Death:
Parents 
         Father: William Maddick Silly 6313
         Mother: Living
Notes
General:
040317:

The fact that William and Mary Ann named a second son Thomas, admittedly with a middle name Tolcher, suggests that their first son of this name died before the second son's date of birth.

William Silly 
      Sex: M
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: 11 Sep 1825 - Dittisham, Devon, England 6314
    Christening: 
          Death: 
         Burial: 
 Cause of Death:
Parents 
         Father: William Maddick Silly 6313
         Mother: Living
William Maddick Silly 
      Sex: M
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: 18 May 1784 - Dartmouth, Devon, England 3111
    Christening: 14 Oct 1785 - St. Saviour's, Dartmouth, Devon, England 3111
          Death: 
         Burial: 
 Cause of Death: 

Events

•  Alt. Birth: 1789. 

•  Occupation: Block Maker, 3 Sep 1817, Dartmouth, Devon, England. 

•  Occupation: Block maker, 26 Feb 1819, Dartmouth, Devon, England. 

•  Occupation: Block Maker, 30 Jun 1838, Dartmouth, Devon, England. 

•  Living: 4 Mar 1840. 

•  Occupation: Master Mariner, 1843-1844, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada. 

•  Occupation: Merchant, 23 Apr 1844, St. Clement Townstal, Dartmouth, Devon, England.
Parents 
         Father: Capt. Thomas Silly 6354,6355
         Mother: Mary Maddick 82
Spouses and Children 
1. Living

Marriage Events

•  Minister/Priest: Robert Holdsworth, Vicar of St. Clement's, 16 Sep 1816, St. Clement Townstal, Dartmouth, Devon, England. 

•  Witnesses: Thomas Silly and Patience Loveys, 16 Sep 1816, St. Clement Townstal, Dartmouth, Devon, England. 
Marriage Notes 




16/9/1816: William Maddick SILLY of Townstall & Mary Ann LOVEYS, by Licence. 
Both sign. Wits; Thos. Silly & Patience Loveys. 



       Children:
                1. Mary Ann Silly
                2. Thomas Silly
                3. William Silly
                4. Thomas Tolcher Silly
Living 
      Sex: M
Spouses and Children 
1. Living
Living 
      Sex: M
Parents 
         Father: Living
         Mother:
Spouses and Children 
1. Living
       Children:
                1. Living
Living 
      Sex: F
Parents 
         Father: Living
         Mother: Living
Spouses and Children 
1. Living
       Children:
                1. Living
                2. Living
                3. Living
                4. Living
Living 
      Sex: M
Spouses and Children 
       Children:
                1. Living
Living 
      Sex: F
Spouses and Children 
1. Living
       Children:
                1. Living
                2. Living

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