Ancestors of Christopher John Augustine Morry




Henry Winser 
      Sex: M
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: Bef 8 Aug 1773 - Denbury, Devon, England 2258
    Christening: 8 Aug 1773 - Denbury, Devon, England 2258
          Death: 
         Burial: 
 Cause of Death:
Parents 
         Father: Henry Winser 168
         Mother: Joan Field
Spouses and Children 
1. *Elizabeth Bowden 2256 
       Marriage: 20 Dec 1792 - Denbury, Devon, England 2259

Marriage Events

•  Witnesses: Thomas Matthews and Anthony Winser, 20 Dec 1792, Denbury, Devon, England. 
       Children:
                1. Peter Winser
                2. John Winser
                3. Richard Winser
                4. John Winser
                5. Henry Winser
                6. Eliza Winser
Notes
General:
131118:

I note that on the marriage register for his marriage to Elizabeth Layman (née Bowden), a widow, it is noted that Henry Winser is a widower himself. I do not show a prior marriage for him but I do show a later marriage to Eleanor Anderson.

At this point I am afraid that I may have mixed up which Henry Winser was married to which woman or women since there were several Henry Winsers in this area at about this time.

All that can be said with certainty is that a Henry Winser whose wife was named Elizabeth was the father of the six children shown in the Baptism register from 1793 to 1807.

Henry Winser 
      Sex: M
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: Cir 1801 - Denbury, Devon, England 8638
    Christening: 
          Death: Bef 14 Jul 1870 - Denbury, Devon, England 8638
         Burial: 14 Jul 1870 - Denbury, Devon, England 8638
 Cause of Death: 

Events

•  Alt. Birth: Cir 1800, Denbury, Devon, England. 

•  Alt. Birth: Cir 1806, Denbury, Devon, England. 

•  Literacy: Both Bride and Groom were illiterate, signing register with an X, 27 Oct 1825, Denbury, Devon, England. 

•  Occupation: Labourer, 1826-1837, Denbury, Devon, England. From Christening of daughters Elizabeth, Susan and Jane

Also from marriages of Susan and Jane. 

•  Occupation: Labourer, 1834, East Ogwell, Devon, England. 

•  Census: 1841 England Census of Henry and Mary Winser Household, Denbury Green, 1841, Denbury, Devon, England. 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcripon
???bury Green, Denbury, Newton Abbot, Devon, England
Household Members
First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
Henry Winser Male 35 1806 Devon, England
Mary Winser Female 40 1801 Devon, England
Jane Winser Female 10 1831 Devon, England
William Winser Male 7 1834 Devon, England
Thomas Winser Male 3 1838 Devon, England
Census details
First name(s) Mary
Last name Winser
Sex Female
Age 40
Birth year 1801
Birth county Devon
Birth county as transcribed DEVON
Birth place (other) England
House name -
House number -
Street ???bury Green
Parish or township Denbury
Town -
City or borough -
Registration district Newton Abbot
County Devon
Country England
Occupation -
Family member first name(s) Jane, Henry, Thomas, William
Family member last name Winser
Archive reference HO107
Piece number 227
Book number 23
Folio number 10
Page number 14
Record set 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, Land & Substitutes
Subcategory Census. 

•  Occupation: Agricultural Labourer, 1841, Denbury, Devon, England.
Spouses and Children 
1. *Mary Atwill Blackler 2185 
       Marriage: 27 Oct 1825 - Denbury, Devon, England 2185

Marriage Events

•  Marriage Banns: At St. Mary the Virgin Parish Church, Oct 1825, Denbury, Devon, England. 
Marriage Notes 




021218 from FindMypast:


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First name(s)Mary Atwell
Last nameBlackler
Banns year1825
Banns date02 Oct 1825
ParishDenbury
Spouse's first nameHenry
Spouse's last nameWinser
ResidenceDenbury St Mary the Virgin
Spouse's residenceDenbury St Mary The Virgin
DenominationAnglican
CountyDevon
CountryEngland
Archive reference2396A/PR/1/8
ArchiveSouth West Heritage Trust
Record setDevon Banns
CategoryBirth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
SubcategoryParish Marriages
Collections fromEngland, United Kingdom
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Record setDevon Marriages
First name(s)Mary Atwell
Last nameBlackler
Marriage year1825
Spouse's first name(s)Henry
Spouse's last nameWinser
DenominationAnglican
CountyDevon
PlaceDenbury
ArchiveSouth West Heritage Trust
Marriage date27 Oct 1825
ParishDenbury
CategoryBirth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
SubcategoryParish Marriages
Collections fromEngland, United Kingdom
Devon Family History Society

Transcriptions © Devon Family History Society


       Children:
                1. Elizabeth Winser
                2. Susan Winser
                3. Jane Winser
                4. William Winser
                5. Thomas Winser
                6. John Winser
Notes
General:
021218:

At this time I cannot determine to which family of Winsers in Denbury this Henry belongs because I evidently do not have a birth/baptismal record for him. As noted on other "orphans" of this surname whose marriages or burial records or the baptisms of children were found in the Denbury register, but whose own birth/baptismal record could not be located in the parish register, several of the Denbury Winser or Winsor families were actually residents of nearby communities like Torbryan or Ipplepen and it may be that the missing records appear in the parish records of those communities. This bears further research.

He clearly was not one of the Winsers that moved to Aquaforte about this time because he is found with his wife and family in the 1841 Census in Denbury as an agricultural labourer. This suggests he may have been unrelated since all of the Winser clan who moved to Aquaforte were in some manner associated with marine trades.

Henry Winser 
      Sex: M
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: Cir 8 Apr 1772 - Denbury, Devon, England 4560
    Christening: 8 Apr 1772 - Denbury, Devon, England 4560
          Death: 8 Apr 1772 - Denbury, Devon, England 8639
         Burial: 9 Apr 1772 - Denbury, Devon, England
 Cause of Death:
Parents 
         Father: Henry Winser 168
         Mother: Joan Field
Henry Winser 
      Sex: M
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: 14 Oct 1850 - Denbury, Devon, England 8640
    Christening: 27 Oct 1850 - Denbury, Devon, England 459,2191
          Death: Between Apr and Jun 1828 - Newton Abbot, Devonshire, England 2403,4949
         Burial: 
 Cause of Death: 

Events

•  Alt. Birth: NB: Location is the sud-district registration office, not place of birth, Between Oct and Dec 1850, Newton Abbot, Devonshire, England. 

•  Alt. Birth: Bef 27 Oct 1850, Denbury, Devon, England. 

•  Census: 1851 England Census, Household of Peter Winser, 47 Green St., 1851, Denbury, Devon, England.  (Household Member) 

•  Military: Service Number in RN 35855, 1866-1878, Wallasey, Metropolitan Borough of Wirral, Merseyside, England. 

•  Military Service: Joined the HMS Implacable as volunteer - Boy 2nd Class, Between 13 Jan 1866 and 14 Oct 1868, Newton Abbot, Devonshire, England. He signed on for 10 years of service but apparently did not qualify until 14 October 1868 (being under 18) as a full rating and hence his term was not completed until 19 Cecember 1878 (nominally until 14 October 1878 but perhaps the ship was then at sea). 

•  Military Service: Served consecutively on at least 10 HMS vessels, Between 13 Jan 1866 and 2 Nov 1878, Wallasey, Metropolitan Borough of Wirral, Merseyside, England. Implacable
Impregnable (5 yoyages)
Indus
Narcissus (2 voyages)
Indus
Asia (2 voyages)
Jemma (?)
Asia
Duke of Welllington
Discovery
Indus
Achilles (2 voyages)
Helicon
Hibernia
Achilles
. 

•  Occupation: Apprenticed to George Bibbings as "tripe dresser" for 12 months, Bef 13 Jan 1868, Devonshire, England. 

•  Literacy: Signed his own enlistment papers with a clear signature, 13 Jan 1868, Newton Abbot, Devonshire, England. 

•  Physical Description: 4 ft 11 in; Brown hair; Hazel eyes; Sallow complexion, 13 Jan 1868, Newton Abbot, Devonshire, England. 

•  Census: At Sea, SS Narcissus, RN, 1871, At Sea. 

•  Occupation: Carpenter Crew, 2nd Class, Royal Navy, 1871, At Sea. 

•  Military: Served on the HMS Discovery as Carpenter Crew member, Between 1 May 1875 and 5 Dec 1876, Arctic Ocean. This was the 1875-1876 British Arctic Expedition intended to reach the North Pole but falling short of that accomplishment. 

•  Medical Condition: Contracted Snow blindness and Scurvy on Arctic Expedition, 1876, Arctic Ocean. 

•  Military Service: Re-enlisted for a further 10 years on HMS Indus as "banker's mate" - £2.10.0 bonus, 19 Dec 1878, Wallasey, Metropolitan Borough of Wirral, Merseyside, England. This was in order to gain a pension. 

•  Physical Description: 5 ft. 5 inches; Dark Brown hair; Hazel eyes; Fresh complexion, 19 Dec 1878, Wallasey, Metropolitan Borough of Wirral, Merseyside, England. 

•  Military: Last service on Defiance, Between 1 May 1886 and 31 Dec 1888, Wallasey, Metropolitan Borough of Wirral, Merseyside, England. 

•  Census: Household of Henry Winser, Waggoner, 4 Union St. Cottage, 1891, Wolborough, Newton Abbot, Devon, England. 

•  Occupation: Waggoner, 1891, Newton Abbot, Devonshire, England. 

•  Census: 16 Lemon Rd., 1911, Newton Abbot, Devonshire, England. 
Name  Henry Winser
Age in 1911 60
Estimated Birth Year abt 1851
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Birth Place Denbury, Devon
Civil parish Wolborough
County/Island Devon
Country England
Street Address 16 Lemon Road, Newton Abbot
Marital Status Married
Occupation Wagon Lifter
Registration District Number 272
Sub-registration district Newton Abbot
ED, institution, or vessel 18
Piece 12755
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Henry Winser 60 Head
Emma Winser 61 Wife
Charles Winser 14 Grandson
Winnifred Manners 9 Visitor
Walter Bolt 42 Lodger. 

•  Occupation: Wagon Lifter, Great Western Railway, 1911, Newton Abbot, Devonshire, England.
Parents 
         Father: Peter Winser 2191
         Mother: Susan Winser 2190,2191,2192
Spouses and Children 
1. *Emma Georgena Furneaux 775 
       Marriage: Between Jul and Sep 1872 - Newton Abbot, Devonshire, England 107,4750

Marriage Events

•  Alt. Marriage: Cir 1873. 
Marriage Notes 




160523:

Note that the location is the registration district, not the place where the marriage took place.


       Children:
                1. Bessie L. Winser
                2. Henry J. Winser
                3. Maude Winser
                4. Sidney William Winser
                5. Reginald S. Winser
Notes
General:
150523:

An article appeared in the Devon Family History Society magazine this month which sheds light on the career of this person as an indentured youth and then as a carpenter in the Royal Navy and then purports to continue with his occupation after leaving the service. The author of the article was Lorraine Dicksee and I engaged with her via email (lorraineandt@msn.com to determine if this was indeed the same person as in her article.

The reason for my uncertainty was because she had attached as his father a different Peter Winser who was a part of the ancestry of her husband. Andy Dicksee, even though that man was actually from Broadhempston, not Denbury, where Henry was born.

In our review of the logic of her association of that Peter as the father of this Henry it became clear that her's was a stab in the dark, possibly wishing to have an exciting bit of colour to add to her husband's family history, since Henry was a part of the British Polar Expedition in 1875-76 aboard the HMS Discovery.

From the evidence of the records of birth/baptism of Henry and his brother Albert, both of Denbury, it seems unlikely that their father was from anywhere else and I am convinced that I have the right person who fits the details of his military file. Therefore I am adding Lorraine's article because of the useful information it contains, based upon his RN file but I am also attaching the original RN file to support this. As for his career after leaving the RN, I remain unsure of whether or not she again found the correct person for the rest of her story as her contention is that he spent the rest of his working life as a railway employee in Newton Abbott, which seems a far reach once again.

220523:
Following further research I discovered that Lorraine's research was sound and that Henry's father was indeed a Peter Winser born in Broadhempston and that Henry did indeed become a railway worker once he finished his 20 years in the RN.

I just now discovered who Lorraine and Andy are from a marriage record found on Ancestry:
Andrew F J Dicksee

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Name: Andrew F J Dicksee
Registration Date: 1985
[Dec 1985]
Registration District: Surrey North Western
Inferred County: Surrey
Spouse: Lorraine S Korten
Volume Number: 17
Page Number: 419

Also found Andy's birth record:
Andrew F J Dicksee

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Name: Andrew F J Dicksee
Registration Date: Apr 1955
[May 1955]
[Jun 1955]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Wandsworth
Inferred County: Greater London
Mother's Maiden Name: Berry
Volume Number: 5d
Page Number: 976


Curiously, Lorraine's maiden name is very similar to that of aunt Elsie (her maiden name was spelled Kortan). But this is merely a coincidence of course. Lorraine told me that Andy had a DNA test done by Ancestry and I checked but he is not a match to my DNA test, so we are not related. 8641

Henry Winser 
      Sex: M
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: Bef 6 Nov 1653 - Denbury, Devon, England 2680
    Christening: 6 Nov 1653 - Denbury, Devon, England 2680
          Death: Cir Dec 1742 - Denbury, Devon, England 766,996
         Burial: 15 Dec 1742 - Denbury, Devon, England 996
 Cause of Death: 

Events

•  Alt. Birth: 1660, Denbury, Devon, England. 

•  Alt. Christening: 1665, Denbury, Devon, England. 

•  Alt. Burial: 1742, Denbury, Devon, England.
Parents 
         Father: Henry Winsor 2680
         Mother: Joan Butchers 2679
Spouses and Children 
1. *Elizabeth Dier 798 
       Marriage: 16 Jun 1687 - Denbury, Devon, England 766,798
Marriage Notes 




Event Description: From Original parish register downloaded from FindMyPast


       Children:
                1. Elizabeth Winser
                2. Henry Winsor
                3. Mary Winser
                4. John Winser
Henry Winser 
      Sex: M
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: Bef 5 Nov 1712 - Denbury, Devon, England 8642
    Christening: 5 Nov 1712 - Denbury, Devon, England 8642
          Death: Bef 3 Dec 1779 - Denbury, Devon, England 8643
         Burial: 3 Dec 1779 - Denbury, Devon, England
 Cause of Death: 

Events

•  Alt. Birth: 5 Nov 1711, Denbury, Devon, England. 

•  Alt. Birth: Denbury, Devon, England, 11 Nov 1711. 

•  Alt. Christening: 11 Nov 1711, Denbury, Devon, England. 

•  Alt. Death: 8 Jul 1785, Denbury, Devon, England.
Parents 
         Father: Henry Winsor 996
         Mother: Mary 994
Spouses and Children 
1. *Catherine Davies 4109 
       Marriage: 10 Feb 1740/41 - Denbury, Devon, England 4109
       Children:
                1. Catherine Winser
                2. Elizabeth Winser
                3. Peter Winser
                4. Catharine Winser
                5. Anthony Winser
                6. John Winser
Notes
General:
171018:

Noted on his wife's burial record that she was a widow, hence I believe I have chosen the correct burial record for him even though there were other Henry Winsers in Denbury at that time.

301018:

I suspect that they may have lived in Torbryan after their wedding and had children there who were baptised somewhere other than Denbury. How else to explain the long gap between when they were married in 1741 and when their first child was baptised in Denbury in 1747? We also know that there was a daughter named Catherine who was born during this period because we have her burial record in the year following their marriage in Denbury.

Henry Winser 
      Sex: M
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: 20 Aug 1786 - Denbury, Devon, England 8644
    Christening: 3 Sep 1786 - Denbury, Devon, England 8282
          Death: Bef 22 Nov 1786 - Denbury, Devon, England 8527
         Burial: 22 Nov 1786 - Denbury, Devon, England 8527
 Cause of Death: 

Events

•  Alt. Christening: at home, 20 Aug 1786, Denbury, Devon, England.
Parents 
         Father: Capt. Peter Winser 168,5429
         Mother: Sarah Symons 168
Notes
General:
021118:

According to the church register he was privately baptised on August 20th, 1786 and then received into the church on September 3rd. This generally happens when a newborn is at risk of dying. And as we see, Henry only lived a few more months after this. 8282

Henry Winser 
      Sex: M
AKA: Henry Windsor 8645, Henry Winsor 8645
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: Bef 24 Apr 1746 - Denbury, Devon, England 8646
    Christening: 24 Apr 1746 - Denbury, Devon, England 8646
          Death: Bef 4 Nov 1819 - Denbury, Devon, England 8647
         Burial: 4 Nov 1819 - Denbury, Devon, England 8647,8648
 Cause of Death: 

Events

•  Literacy: Illiterate; signed the marriage record with an "X", 25 Mar 1769, Denbury, Devon, England. 

•  Occupation: Thatcher (it says "Thetcher" on Marriage Register), 25 Mar 1769, Denbury, Devon, England. 

•  Residence: According to marriage record to Eleanor Anderson, 23 Sep 1813, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada. 

•  Alt. Death: 8 Nov 1819, Denbury, Devon, England.
Parents 
         Father: Capt. Jacob Winser 168
         Mother: Grace Hingston 1461
Spouses and Children 
1. *Joan Field
       Marriage: 25 Mar 1770 - Denbury, Devon, England 4558

Marriage Events

•  Minister/Priest: Thos Trout Curate of Bovey Tracey, 25 Mar 1770, Denbury, Devon, England. 

•  Witnesses: Jacob and Anthony Winser, his brother and cousin, 25 Mar 1770, Denbury, Devon, England. 
Marriage Notes 




171018 from FindMyPast:

Devon Marriages Transcription

Record setDevon Marriages
First name(s)Henry
Last nameWinser
Marriage year1770
Spouse's first name(s)Joan
Spouse's last nameField
DenominationAnglican
CountyDevon
PlaceDenbury
ArchiveSouth West Heritage Trust
Marriage date25 Mar 1770
ParishDenbury
CategoryBirth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers)
SubcategoryParish Marriages
Collections fromEngland, United Kingdom
Devon Family History Society

Transcriptions © Devon Family History Society


       Children:
                1. Elizabeth Winser
                2. Henry Winser
                3. Henry Winser
                4. Jane Winser
                5. Mary Winser
                6. Jacob Winser
                7. Joan Winser
                8. Ann Winser
                9. Grace Winser
                10. Sarah Winser
                11. Anthony Winser

2. Eleanor Anderson
       Marriage: 23 Sep 1813 - St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada 1378

Marriage Events

•  Minister/Priest: David Rowland, Missionary, Anglican Cathedral, 23 Sep 1813, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada. 

•  Witnesses: Eliza LeMessurier, Harriet P Hutchings, Chris Harmon and illegible, 23 Sep 1813, St. John's, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada. 
Marriage Notes 




Henry Windsor, widower, and Eleanor Anderson, spinster, Marriage, Anglican Cathedral, St. John's

131118 from NGB website:

Sep 23 1813St. John'sHenry WINDSOR, widower, St JohnsEleanor ANDERSON, spinster, St JohnsEliza LeMessurier, Harriet P Hutchings


       Children:
                1. Mary Windsor
Notes
General:
130916:

I have him marrying Eleanor Anderson simply because I have no other Henry Winsor by any spelling of that surname of marriageable age at this time, but he would have been 67 and twice married at the time, so I am doubtful. I think there is another Henry I am missing.

161018:

In addition, the information I received from the family tree of Karen Stevens on Genes Reunited appears to all be in error because the children supposedly born to Henry Winser and Elizabeth [Bowden] Layman would have all been born after she was 50. I doubt very much that this information is of any value.

051118:

Further to the above, there are far too many anomalies that would result from accepting that the man name Henry Winser who married Joan Field and had eleven children by her before she died in 1792 would then marry twice more and have a large number of additional children.

I now suspect that it was their second son named Henry, born in 1772 who must have been the husband of the other two women. I had previously shown him being buried the day after he was born but now believe that burial was of his brother Henry, born in 1763 and from whom he took his name.

I am therefore going to make these corrections today and hope that it all comes out making better sense.

Henry Winser 
      Sex: M
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: 2 Sep 1804 - Denbury, Devon, England 121
    Christening: 2 Sep 1804 - Denbury, Devon, England 2264
          Death: Cir 1884 - Denbury, Devon, England ( about age 80) 121
         Burial: 
 Cause of Death: 

Events

•  Alt. Christening: "Sept. 21st [1805] Henry Son of Henry & Elizabeth Winser", 21 Sep 1805, Denbury, Devon, England. Note that his duplicates an earlier Baptism on 2 Sept 1804 in the same register. I cannot account for this duplication. 

•  Occupation: Thatcher and Parish Clerk, 1831-1881, Denbury, Devon, England. From Baptism records of children and from Censuses. 

•  Census: Household of Henry and Maria Winser, 1841, Denbury, Devon, England. 

•  Residence: Between 1841 and 1881, Denbury, Devon, England. 1841 living in the village @ Denbury 1861 - 1871 living @ South Street Denbury 1881 living @ est Street Denbury. 

•  Census: Household of Henry and Maria Winser, 22 Lower St., 1851, Denbury, Devon, England. 

•  Occupation: Baker and Parish Clerk, 16 Apr 1865, Denbury, Devon, England. 

•  Appointment: Parish Clerk, 1871, Denbury, Devon, England. 

•  Census: 1871 England Census of Household of Henry and Maria Winser, South St., 1871, Denbury, Devon, England. 

•  Census: 1881 Census of Household of Henry and Maria Winser, West St., 1881, Denbury, Devon, England.
Parents 
         Father: Henry Winser 2258
         Mother: Elizabeth Bowden 2256
Spouses and Children 
1. *Maria Bulley 2633 
       Marriage: Cir Apr 1831 - Denbury, Devon, England 2633

Marriage Events

•  Marriage Banns: Apr 1831, Denbury, Devon, England. 
       Children:
                1. Eliza Winser
                2. John Bully Winser
                3. John Bulley Winser
                4. Henry Winser
                5. Jane Winser
                6. Mary Ann Winser
                7. Peter Winser
                8. George Winser
                9. Ellen Maria Winser
Henry Winser 
      Sex: M
Individual Information 
     Birth Date: Bef 24 Sep 1837 - Denbury, Devon, England 8649
    Christening: 24 Sep 1837 - Denbury, Devon, England 8649
          Death: Bef 5 Feb 1865 - Denbury, Devon, England 8650
         Burial: 5 Feb 1865 - Denbury, Devon, England 8650
 Cause of Death: 

Events

•  Alt. Birth: Cir 1838, Denbury, Devon, England. 

•  Census: Household of Henry and Maria Winser, 1841, Denbury, Devon, England.  (Household Member) 

•  Census: Household of Henry and Maria Winser, 22 Lower St., 1851, Denbury, Devon, England.  (Household Member) 

•  Alt. Death: Cir 1865, Denbury, Devon, England.
Parents 
         Father: Henry Winser 121,2264
         Mother: Maria Bulley 2633

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