Ancestors of Christopher John Augustine Morry

Peter Winser

Sex: M
AKA: Peter Winsor ⁸⁶⁷⁹
Individual Information

Birth Date: Cir 1824 - Broadhempston, Devon, England ⁸⁶⁷⁹ Christening: Death: Bef 24 Oct 1903 - Wolborough, Newton Abbot, Devon, England ²⁴⁰³ ^,8680 Burial: 24 Oct 1903 - Wolborough, Newton Abbot, Devon, England ⁸⁶⁸⁰ Cause of Death:
Events
• Alt. Birth: Cir 1825, Devonshire, England. 061218:

According to the marriage banns he was a sojourner and not from Denbury but it does not give his abode.
• Occupation: labourer, 1850-1852, Denbury, Devon, England. From baptismal records of children.
• Literacy: Both bride and groom illiterate; signed marriage register with an X, 2 Apr 1850, Denbury, Devon, England.
• Census: 1851 England Census, Household of Peter Winser, 47 Green St., 1851, Denbury, Devon, England.
Name Peter Winsor [
]
Age 27
Estimated Birth Year abt 1824
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Susan Winsor
Gender Male
Where born Broadbempton, Devon, England
Civil parish Denbury

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County/Island Devon
Country England
Registration district Newton Abbot
Sub-registration district Moreton Hampstead
ED, institution, or vessel 3
Neighbors
Household schedule number 74
Piece 1871
Folio 454
Page number 15
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Peter Winsor 27 Head
Susan Winsor
23 Wife
Henry Winsor
5 Mo Son.
• Occupation: Railway Labourer, 1851, Denbury, Devon, England.
• Census: Household of Peter Winser, Labourer, 1861, Newton Abbot, Devonshire, England. Note that the transcriber on Ancestry mistakenly showed their names as Winson.
• Occupation: Labourer, 1861, Newton Abbot, Devonshire, England.
• Literacy: Illiterate. Signed his son's enlistment papers with an X, 13 Jan 1868, Newton Abbot, Devonshire, England.
• Census: 1871 England Census Household of Peter Winser Wooolborough, 1871, Wolborough, Newton Abbot, Devon, England.
• Occupation: Labourer, 1871, Wolborough, Newton Abbot, Devon, England.
• Census: No. 1 Court, Wolboro St., 1881, Wolborough, Newton Abbot, Devon, England.
• Occupation: Labourer - Engine Works, 1881, Newton Abbot, Devonshire, England.
• Alt. Death: 19 Oct 1903, Newton Abbott, Devon, England.

Parents

Father: Peter Winser ²²⁶⁰ Mother:

Spouses and Children

1. *Susan Winser ²¹⁹⁰ ^,2191 ^,2192 Marriage: 2 Apr 1850 - Denbury, Devon, England ¹⁷⁹⁹ ^,4987 ^,8681
Marriage Events
• Alt. Marriage: Cir Mar 1850, Denbury, Devon, England. 061218:

According to the Marriage Banns their surnames were both Winser. It is quite possible that they were cousins, at least second cousins. However I have been unable so far to identify the parents of Peter.
• Marriage Banns: Between 10 Mar 1850 and 24 Mar 1850, Denbury, Devon, England. Marriage Notes

061218:

Note the names of the fathers of the bride and groom. This helps to establish their relationship to families already in the family tree.
Children: 1. Henry Winser 2. James Winser 3. Albert Winser 4. Thomas Winser 5. Mary E. Winser 6. William Winser 7. Louisa T. Winser 8. Alice K. Winser 9. Salena C. Winser 10. George Winser

Notes
General:

031218:

I know nothing of the parentage of this person. He was discovered first of all as the father of a son named Henry who was baptised at St. Mary the Virgin in Denbury on October 27, 1850 and later other children showed up. Other than this and the name of the wife and the fact that the father was a labourer in Denbury, I know absolutely nothing at this time. He does not fit with any of the known Peter Winsers/Winsors/Windsors.

061218:

I have tentatively linked these two Peter Winsers as father and son because the marriage of the son shows that his father was named Peter and this is the only Peter of an appropriate age that I have from the Denbury records who is not already shown as married. I suspect the marriage took place in a nearby village.

150523:
I think the mystery resolved itself to some extent. Eventually a marriage record was discovered for Peter and Susan and it was in fact in Denbury, not in another nearby community. The confusion are from the fact that the marriage occurred only 7 months before the birth/baptism of their first child, Henry, so was probably hushed up. But I still do not have a birth/baptism record for Peter proving that he was the son of Peter Winser and an unknown woman. This missing link still needs to be found.

Peter Winser

Sex: M

Individual Information

Birth Date: Bef 18 Jun 1747 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁴¹¹⁵ Christening: 18 Jun 1747 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁴¹¹⁵ Death: Bef 12 Aug 1752 - Torbryan, Devon, England ⁸⁶⁸² Burial: 12 Aug 1752 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁸⁶⁸² Cause of Death:

Parents

Father: Henry Winser Mother: Catherine Davies ⁴¹⁰⁹

Notes
General:

121118:

I am not absolutely certain I have matched the correct person with this burial record because it does not say that he is the son of Henry and Catherine Winser. Normally a child's burial record stated the names of the parents or at least one parent. But I know of not other Peter Winser of this era associated with Torbryan as he was. ⁸⁶⁸²

Capt. Peter Winser

Sex: M
AKA: Peter Winsor ⁵⁴²⁴
Individual Information

Birth Date: Bef 15 Feb 1755 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁵⁴²⁹ Christening: 15 Apr 1755 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁵⁴²⁹ Death: 14 Jun 1828 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁵ ^,149 Burial: 18 Jun 1828 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁸⁶⁸³ Cause of Death:
Events
• Baptism: 15 Feb 1755, Denbury, Devon, England.
• Alt. Birth: 15 Apr 1755, Denbury, Devon, England.
• Literacy: Husband and Wife are literate and both sign marriage register, 3 Feb 1779, Denbury, Devon, England.
• Occupation: Mariner, 3 Feb 1779, Denbury, Devon, England.
• Literacy: Bride and Groom both signed the marriage register, 1 Jan 1819, Denbury, Devon, England. (Witness)
• Court: Charged with violent assault on Catherine Payne at Aquaforte, 18 May 1819, Ferryland, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada. Threw her out of the house that she occupied. Fined £10 and bound over. NB: This could be either Peter Winsor the elder or junior. No way of knowing from the court record.
• Alt. Death: 31 Dec 1825, Aquaforte, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.
• Court: Cases as Defendant, Second Sitting of the Southern Circuit Court, Between 31 Oct 1826 and 11 Nov 1826, Ferryland, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada. James Kingdom v. Peter Winsor. Dispute over wearing apparel witheld by Winsor due to delinquency of servant Kingdom. Ordered to return the clothing.

John Rogers v. Peter Winsor. Judgement for Plaintiff but only £3.12.0 of requested £4.2.2 ordered to be paid on account.

NOTE: There is no way of knowing which Peter Winsor (father or son) was involved in these cases as both were of an age that would make it plausible.

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• Court: Cases as Plaintiff, Second Sitting of the Southern Circuit Court, Between 31 Oct 1826 and 11 Nov 1826, Ferryland, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada. NB: In these cases the Plaintiff's name is never given as Sr. or Jr. and could be either.

Peter Winsor v. John Howlett. Settled. £12.6.3

Peter Winsor v. Robert Pitt. Arbitration by Robert Carter and James Morrison. Somehow the wires got crossed and the arbitrators referred to the outstanding debt as £18.12.6 but regardless found in favour of the Defendant in the much larger amount of £192.7.0

Peter Winsor v. Andrew Morrison. Arbitration by Robert Carter, Ewen Stabb and Matthew Morry. Award delayed until first day of next term.
• Court: Cases as Plaintiff, Third Sitting of the Southern Circuit Court, 3 Oct 1827, Ferryland, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada. Peter Winsor v. Thomas Sokam
Winsor failed to appear when called three times so suit was dismissed.

Peter Winsor v. Thomas Lokane
Action to recover £7.5.7. Winsor appeared and stated matter was settled.
• Court: Convicted of Raping an Employee, Ellen Delahunty, 3 Nov 1827, Ferryland, Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada. (Juror)
• Alt. Death: Cir 1840, Denbury, Devon, England.

Parents

Father: Capt. Jacob Winser ¹⁶⁸ Mother: Grace Hingston ¹⁴⁶¹

Spouses and Children

1. *Sarah Symons ¹⁶⁸ Marriage: 4 Feb 1779 - Denbury, Devon, England ¹⁴⁹ ^,8280
Marriage Events
• Witnesses: Matthew Symons, Anthony Winsor, 4 Feb 1779, Denbury, Devon, England. Marriage Notes

From: GladysSteinke@aol.com [mailto:GladysSteinke@aol.com] Sent: December 6, 2003 11:32 AM To: CMORRYE122@rogers.com Subject: Bit by Bit -

Chris, I am starting this email Nov. 16 - will add as I get it.

Banns of marriage for Peter Winser and Sarah Symons: were Published January 3, 10 and 17, 1779

The said PETER WINSER of this parish, mariner, married in this church by banns Feb 4 1779 in the presence of Matthew Symons and Anthony Winsor. (The name of the parish I did not get)

Gravestone of Peter and Sarah Winser: Sarah, wife of Peter Winser died 31st day of December 1823 aged 66 years Also the above Peter Winser died 14th June 1828 aged 73 years.

Sarah's parents I gave you in email dated Nov. 15 Ban's of marriage for Matthew Symons Jr. and Sarah Wreyford were published Dec. 25, 26 and 27 1755. The said Matthew Symons Jnr. of this parish, husbandman, and the saidSarah Wrayford of this parish spinster married in this church by banns on the 5th day of Feb 1756 by me, William Moyle, curate. Signed by both in presence of Matthew Symons and Henry Winser.

Baptism of Sarah Symons, daughter of the above Matthew and Sarah, was 15 Dec. 1757

Gravestone: In memory of Sarah, the wife of Matthew Symons who died 8th August 1786 aged 56

In memory of Sarah, the wife of Matthew Symons who died 8th August 1786 aged 56 My husband and my children dear Weep not for me though sleeping here Prepare for death that we may be In glory to eternity.

Also of Matthew Symons husband of the above Sarah Symons who departed this life the 29th of December, 1814, aged 84 years.

Helen

090719 from the Hunter Family website:

Banns of marriage between Matthew and Sarah reads as follows: "Banns of Marriage between Matthew Symons, junr and Sarah Wrayford were published on the 25th, 26th and 27th of December 1755 by me William Neyles, Curate. The said Matthew Symons, jnior of this parish, husbandman and the said Sarah Wrayford of this parish, spinster, were married in this church by Banns this fifth day of February in the year one thousand seven hundred and fifty six. In the presence of Matthew Symons and Henry Winser."
Children: 1. Peter Winser 2. Capt. Hon. Peter Ford Winsor JP MHA 3. Capt. Jacob Winsor 4. Henry Winser 5. Abraham Wreyford Winser 6. Isaac Winser 7. Anthony Winsor 8. Matthew Symons Winser 9. Sarah Winser

Notes
General:

Note change of spelling from Winser to Winsor straddles this generation. Twin of Jane.

In an email from Helen Steinke dated 4/07/00:

"PETER WINSOR and SARAH SYMONDS (my g g g grandparents) had two sons, JACOB AND PETER. Jacob married Anna Jennings (my g g grandparents) and Peter married Sarah Payne (also my g g grandparents). They in turn had many children, out of which was a son and a daughter from each batch. Peter and Sarah Symonds bore PETER WINSOR and CAROLINE. WINSOR.. Jacob and Anna Jennings bore DANIEL HENRY WINSOR and ANNA JENNINGS WINSOR. Figure it out - very sticky and very complicated, but once it is in your head, it never leaves, because you are always having to explain it to someone. Out of these four, Peter Winsor married Anna Jennings Winsor, their oldest daughter being Elizabeth Sarah Winsor who married John Henry Morry. Daniel Henry Winsor married Caroline Winsor (my g.grandparents.). In 1891 the family of Peter and Anna added the "D" into their name while three of their sons were travelling in England, they had it done legally. I am not sure if the whole family adopted it or not, but I think most of them did. That is beside the point. I have found that in ALL the families I am doing and have done (CHAFE - MANUEL - MARCH - ROWE - BUTLER - RUBY - MORRY) the intermarriage is horrendous. It is funny we are not all a bunch of morons and hemopheliacs. Dorothy Keough (a descendent of Peter and Anna) in Aquaforte said to me once that is why there is so much mental retardation in the family. I believe she was just making a point, because I haven't found that in my research. But of course, she knows most of these people first hand, as I only know of them. I believe all the interaction between the Morry and Winsor families was descending from Peter and Anna except for William who married into Jacob's family. I am really getting carried away - so with this I'll end this epistle. helen"

151203 Email from Helen Steinke 151203: "-----Original Message----- From: ManitouBorn@aol.com [mailto:ManitouBorn@aol.com] Sent: December 15, 2003 7:48 PM To: cmorrye122@rogers.com Subject: Re: FW: Bit by Bit -

Chris

The PETER and SARAH buried in Aquaforte, in the Meadow, is PETER and SARAH PAYNE. Peter of PETER and SARAH SYMONS was buried in England. I had also thought he was buried in Nfld, but I am now in the belief this PETER never came west. I have told you of my new contact. I have to go through her stuff again. My arm is still so Stiff and Sore it is hard for me to handle all my books and things. After the holidays I will get serious again. I HOPE. In the meantime I have been trying to cope with a new HODGSON contact (my own descendency). sorry- I am rambling - I have pictures of all those gravestones in Newfoundland - except Peter and Sarah Payne. The bugs were biting so bad while I was there I was going crazy. The grass and weeds were so long where he was. My great grandfather is buried in the same area in the Meadow - Dorothy promised she would take one after the bug season and send it, but she never did. That is in THE MEADOW. The others are all buried in the main graveyard in the Church Yard. You see, it was this PETER who converted to Catholacism. (Peter of Sarah Payne). It is so easy to get these two men mixed up.

Good to hear from you, however Have a wonderful holiday Helen "

There is some doubt as to the date and place of his death with Anthony Oliphant saying that the date appears in the family bible as December 31, 1825 and the location as Aquaforte but Helen Steinke (their G. Granddaughter) being eqully adamant that he died June 14, 1828 in his native England and that he never did come to Newfoundland. This is more than likely a result of the large number of Peter Winsers (or Winsors) and the fact that more than one of them married a woman named Sarah. Clearly there is much confusion but the church records in England seem to be reliable and I am opting for those.

300712:

Keith Matthew's name file for Matthew Morry reveals that Peter Winsor was chosen to captain several of his vessels in the first two decades of the 19th century. But which Peter?

090523:

NOTE: I now believe that it is highly unlikely that Peter Winser the father was the person named in the various Ferryland court records. It is almost certain that these pertain to his son of the same name who was a planter in Aquaforte during these years. Indeed it is highly unlikely that the father ever lived in Newfoundland.

Peter Winser

Sex: M

Individual Information

Birth Date: Bef 17 Dec 1779 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁸²⁸¹ Christening: 17 Dec 1779 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁸²⁸¹ Death: Bef 3 Mar 1780 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁸⁶⁸⁴ Burial: 3 Mar 1780 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁸⁶⁸⁴ Cause of Death:
Events
• Baptism: 3 Mar 1780.

Parents

Father: Capt. Peter Winser ¹⁶⁸ ^,5429 Mother: Sarah Symons ¹⁶⁸

Peter Winser

Sex: M

Individual Information

Birth Date: Bef 4 May 1845 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁸⁶⁸⁵ Christening: 4 May 1845 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁸⁶⁸⁵ Death: Cir 1891 - Denbury, Devon, England ¹²¹ Burial: Cause of Death:
Events
• Alt. Birth: Cir 1846, Denbury, Devon, England.
• Census: Household of Henry and Maria Winser, 22 Lower St., 1851, Denbury, Devon, England. (Household Member)
• Occupation: Master Blacksmith, 1874-1883, Denbury, Devon, England. From Marriage record and Baptismal Records of Children.
• Occupation: School Teacher, After 1883, Denbury, Devon, England.
• Residence: living @ West Street, 1891, Denbury, Devon, England.

Parents

Father: Henry Winser ¹²¹ ^,2264 Mother: Maria Bulley ²⁶³³

Spouses and Children

1. *Mary Ann Cole Marriage: 29 Dec 1874 - Denbury, Devon, England ³⁶⁴²
Marriage Events
• Alt. Marriage: Cir 1874, Newton Abbot, Devonshire, England.
• Marriage Banns: Between 6 Dec 1874 and 20 Dec 1874, Denbury, Devon, England. Children: 1. William Henry Winser 2. Lucy Ellen Winser 3. Florence Annie Winser 4. Christine Rose Winser 5. Olive Charlotte Winser

Reginald S. Winser

Sex: M

Individual Information

Birth Date: Cir 1890 - Newton Abbot, Devonshire, England Christening: Death: Burial: Cause of Death:
Events
• Census: Household of Henry Winser, Waggoner, 4 Union St. Cottage, 1891, Wolborough, Newton Abbot, Devon, England. (Household Member)

Parents

Father: Henry Winser ²¹⁹¹ Mother: Emma Georgena Furneaux ⁷⁷⁵

Richard Winser

Sex: M

Individual Information

Birth Date: Bef 1 Aug 1847 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁸²⁹⁷ Christening: 1 Aug 1847 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁸²⁹⁷ Death: Between 1 Aug 1847 and 3 Aug 1847 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁸⁶⁸⁶ Burial: 3 Aug 1847 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁸⁶⁸⁶ Cause of Death:

Parents

Father: Richard Winser ¹²¹ ^,2262 Mother: Mary Taylor

Richard Winser

Sex: M

Individual Information

Birth Date: 1 Jan 1801 - Denbury, Devon, England ¹²¹ Christening: 21 Jan 1801 - Denbury, Devon, England ²²⁶² Death: Bef 5 Feb 1870 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁸⁶⁸⁷ Burial: 5 Feb 1870 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁸⁶⁸⁷ Cause of Death:
Events
• Occupation: Thatcher, 1832-1864, Denbury, Devon, England. From the Christening records of their children and marriage records of some of them.
• Residence: 1841 living @ Townsend Denbury 1861 Living in Denbury Village, Between 1841 and 1861, Denbury, Devon, England.
• Alt. Death: Cir 1870, Denbury, Devon, England.

Parents

Father: Henry Winser ²²⁵⁸ Mother: Elizabeth Bowden ²²⁵⁶

Spouses and Children

1. *Mary Taylor Marriage: Cir Apr 1831 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁸²⁹⁶
Marriage Events
• Alt. Marriage: Cir 1828, Denbury, Devon, England.
• Marriage Banns: Between Mar and Apr 1831, Denbury, Devon, England. Children: 1. John Taylor Winser 2. William Taylor Winser 3. George Taylor Winser 4. Richard Winser

Rose Winser

Sex: F

Individual Information

Birth Date: Bef 19 Jan 1616/17 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁴⁴⁶⁷ Christening: Death: Bef 19 Jan 1616/17 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁴⁴⁶⁷ Burial: 19 Jan 1616/17 - Denbury, Devon, England ⁴⁴⁶⁷ Cause of Death:

Parents

Father: Thomas Winsor ⁴⁴⁶⁵ ^,4466 Mother: Marryn Endell ⁴⁴⁶³

Notes
General:

291018:

While I cannot say with certainty that she was a daughter of this Thomas by his wife "Marryn" Endell, since they were not married until a year later, it seems highly likely that she was their daughter and either aborted or miscarried prior to their getting married. There were no other Winser burials prior to hers in Denbury going back as far as 1528. The fact that it was likely an unplanned birth is also evidenced by the fact that her Christian name is written in and then partially crossed out in the burial register making it difficult to be certain what was intended. ⁴⁴⁶⁷

Salena C. Winser

Sex: F

Individual Information

Birth Date: Cir 1868 - Wolborough, Newton Abbot, Devon, England Christening: Death: Burial: Cause of Death:
Events
• Census: 1871 England Census Household of Peter Winser Wooolborough, 1871, Wolborough, Newton Abbot, Devon, England. (Household Member)
• Census: No. 1 Court, Wolboro St., 1881, Wolborough, Newton Abbot, Devon, England. (Household Member)
• Occupation: Domestic Servant, 1881, Newton Abbot, Devonshire, England.

Parents

Father: Peter Winser ²¹⁹¹ Mother: Susan Winser ²¹⁹⁰ ^,2191 ^,2192

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